Coda 4.0 Pricing Updates: Supercharging Doc Makers

Huge dislike. End of.

I don’t care about Coda AI. I only care about Editors being able to add/delete pages for free. I will trade Coda AI for free editor page management any time of the day.

My editors do not need advanced AI, they need to make pages.

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This is a total nightmare, we’ve only just started to adopt Coda but bundling in adding pages and managing them to the Doc Maker licence isn’t sustainable in costs or the system of data we’re trying to manage.

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Not the biggest fan. However, did I miss Two-way sync???

I’ve created a simple template called ‘Blank Pages’ that includes… well, blank pages.

Non doc-makers still won’t be able to rename them, but if you have a section dedicated to just blanks, it’s easy for them to essentially ‘make’ new pages and drag them where they should be.

My most daring template to date.

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Two-way sync, along with a host of other exciting new changes, was just announced with Coda 4.0!

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You’re saying a non-maker cannot add pages but can drag in a template to make pages? Hmm, need to test.

I just expressed my excitement and thoughts on the 4.0 updates here:

On the “adding pages now becomes only for makers” — actually let me test something very quickly. If anything, and knowing Coda since 2019, I don’t believe this update is because of greed or something. Coda have been anything but greedy. I think this is actually a shift-of-paradigm kind of update.

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Even with these changes, the value Coda offers is unreal, so I also don’t see this as Coda being greedy!

I don’t think non-doc-makers can import templates, but the idea would be the Doc-Maker just makes a bunch of blank pages beforehand, that way the pages are already created without a non-maker needing a license.

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I understand some of the frustration around creating pages, but as @Paul_Danyliuk mentioned this is a paradigm shift and it just requires a different structure of docs in certain specific scenarios like a Wiki.

More thoughts about it here:

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I love all the new Coda updates! This is amazing for all of us! It’s been about the time.

Also, this one as powerful one: “Other companies charge for AI features, but we’re making it FREE for doc makers!”

I love it :heart_eyes:

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Yea I see the Beta feature on a sync table, this is going to make life much easier for some tasks.

It’s a way to make more money without charging for AI let’s be honest.

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I don’t see it as a paradigm shift, I see it as paygating a basic feature.

There is nothing in Coda 4.0 that makes me think Docs like this are going to fall apart because of a “paradigm shift”:

Your paradigm shift argument also does not consider a key feature: Locking pages.

Look, I know maintaining software as big as Coda is expensive. I don’t need AI. I don’t even want AI that much. Can I just get my editors page adding for free please?

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I have similar sentiments. Coda – above all other platforms – has created an envelope of trust concerning pricing and it’s unwavering support of personas that represent Makers, Editors, and information consumers.

Pricing is a complex world; ask the pricing architects at Denny’s. New menu items often toss a wrench into the gears and re-dialing the model often takes time.

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I can see how the changes to page creation makes sense. Docs themselves are almost arbitrary distinctions given new features and how much can be packed into one doc. This change feels inevitable and I want coda to make the money it needs to sustain/grow.

However, this change (which takes effect immediately it sounds like?) may have a major in terms of its impact on our staff. It may be that our stats reflect yours (5% users actually create pages?) but we don’t know that yet. So we’re scrambling a bit here.

Anyway, more head’s up would have been appreciated so we could warn people that a whole feature they might be using is just going to stop working any second. And perhaps some way of admins checking which users create pages?

EDIT: I see that changes don’t take effect until November (missed that part of the post). That’s much better!

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For current customers it starts november 6th

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I’ve worked with and on Coda since late 2017, been a power-user for longer than many of the staff, and make my living entirely on Coda. I have some thoughts :point_down:

tldr; Rock on Coda. These changes are in the right direction and refelect Codas deep connection with their community and customers.

Coda AI is free for Doc Makers:

Amazing. Incredible. Love it.

Notion AI is $10 extra a person while Airtable AI (lagging behind in actually launching) will also cost an additional amount on top of a normal bill.

Personal use is free

Students, Small buisness owners and more rejoice! I have so many people ask me about the free plan and how to get more out of coda. People are going to love this

Only Doc Makers can add and manage pages

I think more people are going to be upset about this, but I actually think Coda is still far more generous than any other no-code or productivity tool out there.

Codas pricing model has always struck me as odd generally to be honest- mainly due to the language of “editor” as a user group. The word “editor” is generally understood as someone who works with or is involved with modifying an already existing structure.

The editor of a book/article is someone who clearly comes in after the text, narrative, and body of work itself is written.

Editors in Coda are far more than editors. Editors in Coda have always been architects. Editors have always had the ability to configure documents, build net-new tables, write formulas, and more.

Without knowing anything about Coda, I would assume that Editors can merely interact with exisiting elements on a page (like adding rows to a table, pressing buttons, viewing data, editing rows, editing canvas content, etc). Essentially, I would assume that editors are indeed EDITORS.

But Coda still maintains the idea of an editor as an architect. Yes, no net-new pages can be added, but any pages that are existing can be architected. New tables made, relationships established, formulas written, buttons configured, automations set, etc.

In my mind editors are still far more than editors. And editors are still free!

No changes to pricing

Also, just awesome.

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How would the free tier help Non-profits? You cannot share or have Editors or am I missing something?

It does not, unless you like sharing credentials (which is unfortunately common practice among non-profits)

I’m not really excited about the pricing for AI; 3000 per month seems quite limited. I had this use case where I imported a table of 250 products from Shopify, and wanted to use Coda to generate product titles, descriptions, bullet points, etc. As you can see, the AI credits will be used up quickly since generating data for 250 products across various columns would already consume at least 1000 credits (and that’s assuming everything is perfect and we don’t have to regenerate any data, which I doubt). Additionally, it would be great to have the option to purchase AI credits on a one-time basis for situations where we might need more credits, without incurring a monthly doc maker charge.

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Personally I’ve worked on, in, and with many non-profits. In a majority of those cases there easily could have been a world where there was one free account who ran the operations of the business on a personal coda doc

Automations, organization of data, reports, dashboards, etc.

Surely it won’t work for every non-profit out there - but for all the ones I’ve been a part of it would’ve been an immense gift