Launched: Coda 4.0!

Ah, not yet unfortunately, but we plan to get there.

I’m afraid to say it’s not really two-way sync if one direction is delayed by one hour at least and the other is instant-ish.

So out of the two big announcements: two-way sync in Cross-Doc and Sync Pages , both are currently half-baked moves in the right direction, but definitely not the solutions we were waiting for.

Not wanting to rain on the parade, and you guys have all my support! But I can’t start using either feature, and need to hold out for more complete versions - hopefully before Christmas !

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Just finished filming a huge deep dive

Hopefully launching Friday

Also @Nad this isn’t totally true

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Also @Nad this isn’t totally true

Great, I can’t wait to see your deep dive tomorrow! (but I hope you don’t mean the solution is to add a ‘refresh synced table’ button :wink: )

Haha it’s not :wink:

Coda will push updates from the source document to the target document (where the cross doc is) on three trigger types:

  1. Time bases trigger (hour lowest interval)
  2. Refresh button (as you mentioned, which is just a different UI for a manual sync)
  3. Upon cross doc edit.

When you edit a cell in a cross doc, Coda will first apply those changes back to the source document

Then, Coda will reconcile other changes from the source doc BACK to the cross doc about 5 seconds later

YouTube will explain it more fully

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You strike a key point here: There move to more clearly delineate maker/editor roles is very sane, but there are a few things that needed to be done before introducing this restriction on Editors.

  • Make Doc Makers the only ones able to: write formulas, insert controls and buttons, insert (smart) tables, hide and unhide pages, set up and edit automations

  • Make Doc Locking (which was a band-aid solution that we now seem stuck with), available to all doc Makers no matter which pricing tier.

  • More controversial but necessary in my opinion: add dumb tables, and allow doc Editors to insert dumb tables inside canvas columns. Hec maybe even allow doc Editors to insert formulas and smart tables inside canvas columns but only be able to use objects created within the canvas in their formulas.

  • Let Editors be Content Editors only as mentioned by @Scott_Collier-Weir here, so they can only edit the text of pages that the doc Maker leaves unlocked for them to edit, but can’t remove/add formulas, controls, buttons and automations , even in unlocked pages.

The above will transition us will transition us from the current messy set up to a world where Makers make, Editors edit content, and Viewers view !

I admit that this transition was not possible in the first iteration of pricing tiers , because we didn’t have canvas columns in Coda 2.0. But it’s not too late to fix the mess!

Then, can come cherry on the cake, your proposal: rows as pages. This will be essentially a new, and very cool, view of a table (just like like layout, calendar, timeline) , which is displayed as top-level header page (text editable by Maker), and the table rows as child pages displayed as a layout view.
We can have a self-referencing parent column act similar to the dependency column in Timeline views, so that we can have a full blown hierarchy - similar to what we can achieve now with vanilla pages.

And there you have it, sane and clean wikis with formulaic access to boot.

Only once you have all of this, you can restrict Editors from inserting new pages and no one would complain.

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I am very pleased with the new Coda, but is it possible to tone down the aggressiveness of notifying that I used up all my AI credits? The message pops up every time I open a new document.

Let it pop up once, and then that should be enough…
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Is the iOS app with support this update almost ready? I think it’s a shame you released Coda 4.0 while not having the iOS app ready first. Sync pages simply do not render, at all. I’d love to get an update on this so I can decide if I need to roll back the use of sync pages for now.

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@shishir Congrats on the release. How does one get access to the Ultimate Coda Handbooks? There’s no link in the blogpost and nothing shows up in Coda search.

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are you looking for this page: Gallery | explore Coda docs, templates, and Packs - Coda

What plan are you on for $18 / month?

I can’t go into details about the non-profit I work with as it is an Enterprise order, but the other nonprofit I work with (who I was hoping to onboard onto Coda) has very little spare change, and I was hoping to convert the team onto a $15 / month non-profit Team plan.

I am not asking for a free product. I am asking for a basic feature, which has been included in our paid plans up until now, to continue be included. If this means my teams lose out of the cutting edge such as Coda AI, that’s something I’m willing to give up on.

These are good. How come there’s not an Ultimate Coda Handbook for marketing and design? TBH, I’m just looking for the marketing handbook, so a link would be awesome.

Marketing, Design, Customer Success, and more are coming soon! What are two things you think a Marketing ultimate guide should include?

How do you count AI credits?

I asked Coda AI to make a list of top 10 most popular classic cocktails, then asked it to list the ingredients for all of them, add instructions and links to YouTube How-To videos. And… I used 1230 credits for that? If it’s not a bug then you’re giving us a super limited AI (with 1000 credits for a month on a Pro plan).

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We’re a 501(c)(3) and Coda offers a 50% discount on the $36/month doc maker fee for the Team plan.

Hi Andrei, were you doing this in a table or in AI chat?

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I used a prompt on an empty page just to check Coda AI.

Asked to make a list of 10 cocktails and possibly to list ingredients in the original prompt, don’t remember now.

Then messaged in a side chat, asked to indent ingredients bullet points because numbered list was formatted wrong. Then asked to add instructions.

As I never tried Coda AI before, I didn’t know if it can make a table with all this information. So after a text prompt on a page and these few messages in side chat, I decided to try ask it to make a table with same content and it told me I ran out of credits. That’s when I checked and saw I used 1230 credits.

I didn’t use Coda AI before as far as I know.

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@shishir What’s the status of this message?

@shishir What’s the status of this message?